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The API at Risk: Oracle v. Google

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5/10/2012 9:58:02 PM
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Re: Oracle
I think declaring APIs copyrightable could be trouble for developers in the future. Rewriting code will cause all sorts of delays if Oracle wins. There's a lot of speculation in the development community about the results and plenty of folks worrying about the future of Java as well. I don't know which team I want to win this fight. I'm curious how it will end, especially considering how little our judicial folks seem to know about technology. This could end really badly for tech companies...

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5/10/2012 9:49:14 PM
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Re: Android
Android is mostly open. Google doesn't release everything for public use. The portion released to the public is open source. I'm concerned about the future of Android after this trial. I hope the judge will declare mistrial, as Google has requested based on the jury's initial findings.

I really have no idea what Oracle intends to gain from this mess. There may or may not be cash in buckets for them.

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John W. Verity
John W. Verity
5/10/2012 8:04:52 PM
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Re: Android
Good questions, @Gigi, but I am afraid I don't know the answers. Anyone else, here?

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John W. Verity
John W. Verity
5/10/2012 8:03:38 PM
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Re: Oracle
We'll see what happens going forward; there are still two more phases to this trial. Oracle appears to have won the first one, and Google has promised to appeal. It ain't over till it's over.

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Gigi
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5/10/2012 1:14:22 AM
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Re: Oracle
Henrish, Oracle knows that Android is using such JRE and API's from the beginning itself, I mean for the last 4-6 years. So far they keep mum because at that point of time, if they are raising any objection it may get easily resolved for a less compensation. Now Android gets flourished and about 45% tablets and Smartphones are running over it, so the claim can be a big sum. It's all a type of dirty business tricks.

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Gigi
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5/10/2012 1:08:53 AM
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Re: Android
"I assume there will be some kind of compromise, or payment that would enable Android to move forward"

John, again the question comes "How Google is able to pay". Android is an open source OS, if it's a paid one then obliviously they have to pay royalty.  For an open source software, how they can pay royalty and if they are paying, what's the benefit Google is going to get out of it? Any business thoughts..

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Henrisha
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5/9/2012 10:48:58 PM
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Re: Oracle
This could be Oracle's way of trying to get some cash to prevent their continuing decline. Such a shame, though, that they're going to this route.

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Henrisha
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5/9/2012 10:47:14 PM
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Re: Hung Jury
Seth raised a fine point here. Would Oracle have raised the issue and filed a case, had Google not been successful? I doubt it. I guess it all boils down to the money, which Google is overflowing with nowadays.

A link to the latest news on the case, if anyone's interested: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57428612-94/oracle-v-google-jury-returns-partial-verdict-favoring-oracle/

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SethGB
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5/8/2012 5:10:21 PM
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Re: Hung Jury
It is interesting to note that these patent lawsuits infringements happen when the the alleged abuser's product has been succesful.  I think that needs to be looked at.  Was the alleged owner aware of the infringement and when?  And if they knew very early on, did they just wait for the cow to get fattened up to claim the profits?

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John W. Verity
John W. Verity
5/8/2012 11:07:28 AM
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Re: Oracle
I think you're probably right, @Toby. Oracle faces some tough times - though its earnings keep defying that forecast. I haven't really followed the case that carefully, but I do know that there are some very important issues at stake, including the business of protecting APIs to the point of crippling others. 

There actually is a fascinating and tragic story about the patenting of FM. A man named Edwin Armstrong came up with the idea before the war. It proved very successful, more immune to noise and interference than AM. But RCA, where he worked, was not interested because it was still bulding out its AM empire. During the war, FM patents were offered to the gov't, at no charge. After the war, Armstrong saw a great oppty to use war-developed tubes and other technologies to create a new form of broadcasting, and he got FM technology off the ground. But RCA, and specifically David Sarnoff, the boss, lobbied the FCC to move the FM band to a new, higher frequency, which effectively clobbered Armstrong's fledgling network. Meanwhile, RCA fought Amrstrong over the FM patents. Long story short, the man fought and fought, never gave up, went broke, lost his wife, and finally, completely shattered, he threw himself out of a window in despair. 

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