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Smalltalk: Age 40 & Still Kicking

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John W. Verity
John W. Verity
5/10/2012 8:02:11 PM
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Change is the only thing that stays the same
There is no  industry that has experiences as much change as IT, I am quite sure. Unfortunately, not all of it has been of the most intelligence kind. And Xerox' experience is a prime example. It invented a ton of incredibly new things and ideas at its PARC labs, but what happened? The IBM PC swept the market, a machine that was a giant step backwards in design. It is only lately that the personal computers on the market have caught up with what Xerox had working in its labs. And according to Alan Kay, a PC industry built around Smalltalk would be well ahead of where it is today, and the Web, too, simply because it was a better way to do things and offers a foundation that's far superior to MS DOS.

One big setback, Kay says, was that the PC was an 8-bit machine, which made it incapable of WYSIWYG graphics. And that legacy held back the PC for years and years.

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Gigi
Gigi
5/10/2012 1:04:38 AM
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Re: Small Talk
Henisha, I would like to correct your sayings as "Changes are the only thing which never changes". These changes are due to the fast phase of technological developments and transformations. From customer point of view, this is good because they are getting better facility, but companies are not able to get ROI from these investments in R&D. Before getting any returns, competitors are coming up with a better technology.

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Henrisha
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5/9/2012 10:50:49 PM
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Re: Small Talk
True, Gigi. The tech industry is a very competitive one. Just because a company has been around for 40 years or so doesn't guarantee it success, although it will already be equipped with the necessary knowledge and know-how to take on specific problems, based on experience. As the famous saying goes, "Change is the only thing that remains constant." True, that.

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John W. Verity
John W. Verity
5/8/2012 10:42:17 AM
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Re: Small Talk
@Sane, I have heard and read that one of the things that made Xerox PARC so successful was that Xerox gave its researchers pretty much a free hand. They weren't told, go invent this, or that, they were given the freedome to pursue whatever interested them, and because they were bright people, already have some good ideas in mind, they did what they did. This is in stark contrast to what much corporate R&D looks like, with management telling the scientists what needs to be invented, etc. Reportedly, this free approach was something that already had proven itself very productive at ARPA, aka DARPA, and it was cloned, or copied, into Xerox.

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John W. Verity
John W. Verity
5/8/2012 10:38:39 AM
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Re: Seaside
I will have to take your word for it, @Jan. I keep meaning to dig into Squeak, too. I even bought a book, which sits forlorn on my shelf, more or less unopened. But it calls to me every once in awhile. I will get to it, one day soon

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John W. Verity
John W. Verity
5/8/2012 10:35:48 AM
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Re: Small Talk
@SethGb, I think Xerox's problem was that the invented so much and they were so far ahead of the rest of the IBM-dominated computer industry that there was little chance they could have successfully commercialized it all, and certainly not all by themselves. All it took was the so-so, good-enough IBM PC (hardly even a real computer, with not even a real OS, only a loader) to hit the market at $3K and Xerox's $13K+ workstations, as spiffy and amazing as they were, looked way overpriced and over-functioned. Xerox was trying to sell the office of the future, while IBM sold people what was essentially a fancy new typewriter, and that was enough to win the market. 

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SaneIT
SaneIT
5/7/2012 7:43:22 AM
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Re: Small Talk
@ SethGB, when I hear stories like this it makes me wish I could work for Xerox PARC.  They were able to turn out so many "garbage' products that have had either longevity like SmallTalk or have become industry standards like so many of their projects have and to me that sounds like a place any techie would enjoy.  It just sounds like the resources to succeed were there for any project and even when they failed they were still embraced either by other projects or other companies.

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Gigi
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5/7/2012 3:51:08 AM
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Re: Small Talk
Seth, changes in technology are very rapid. Nothing can sustain more than a year or two and this is true for most of the IT and electronic equipments. For example, the conversion from CRT to LCD, then Plasma, LED, 3D etc had happened within last 5-7 years. So changes are the only one thing which won't changes.

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jan.krueger
jan.krueger
5/6/2012 2:39:25 PM
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I used Seaside and it was fun. I come back to Squeak on a regular basis but something keeps me from really getting into it. Smalltalk is weird and didn't deserve to fail. It inspired so much of what we do today, especially in the Ruby community. Robert C. Martin has argued that Smalltak failed because its users weren't careful enough not to turn the code into a mess. Also at the time the developing world was tightly in the hands of statically typed languages. Even for Ruby and Python it has taken a lot of time to convince people that static typing is irrelevant when combined with rigorous testing.

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philtheswguy
philtheswguy
5/5/2012 10:07:22 AM
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Re: Small Talk
SethGB,

In technology, I feel like everything is on a big cycle. What was used long ago and now appears dead will eventually be brought back.. in some form.

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