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The Case of the Dirty Disks in the Cloud

John W. Verity
munira
munira
5/5/2012 1:05:41 PM
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Re: Data Security
I see two potential risks here. One is insufficient security protocols for segregation of nodes resulting in leakage of data. Second is complete wipe of data after the account has been closed.

I don't know how this situation is different than using remote servers in the olden days. e.g. if I purchased a vps from godaddy, it had security measures in place to segregate nodes on a shared server. Similarly, if you wish to close an account, you can provision the server deleting everything. In any case, 2 weeks after the expiry date the data is wiped out by the service provider in case of non-payment.

My question is if it's possible to use same kind of parameters in case of clouds too? If it's harder to secure a cloud, what is the reason?

Regarding responsibility, though the major responsibility lies with the owner of the data, yet the service provider has to ensure the interest and privacy of the user and I guess this can be covered by an SLA.

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SethGB
SethGB
5/3/2012 8:17:18 PM
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Re: Dirty Disks
It's bad enough when a laspes of judgment was in our control and even worse when it was a vendor's and we don't know anything about it.  Besides double encryption, the answer might be to break up the data onto different disks, so that if any one part or parts are recovered, they would be essentionlly useless. 

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Gigi
Gigi
5/3/2012 2:21:05 AM
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Re: Dirty Disks
"Imagine being the head of a project and you lose a year of work because someone in accounting decided to push back a payment until the next check run"

SaneIT, in that case, it's always safe to have a back up copy in any of the local machine. More over with data recovery software, we can recover the deleted data provided any replacement hadn't happen for the same space.  But the problem arises when service providers are using the same recovery software for recovering the deleted data without our user knowledge. I mean a security aspect of recovering the user deleted data by the service provider.

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SaneIT
SaneIT
5/2/2012 7:31:58 AM
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Re: Dirty Disks
I think the responsibility ultimately lies with the company putting the data out there.  How does the IAAS company know if a customer is done with that data?  How can they know if the customer is planning on spinning up those servers again at a later date?  Even in the case of a contract expiration the service provider would have to be careful with wiping data in case the customer just had a lapse in payment of contract negotiation.   Imagine being the head of a project and you lose a year of work because someone in accounting decided to push back a payment until the next check run or imagine you spin up a group of servers with test data then you shut them down until you need to do more testing and you find that the service provider "cleaned" them because they had been offline for 90 days.

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Gigi
Gigi
5/2/2012 3:43:17 AM
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Re: Dirty Disks
John, there should be some sort of proper mechanism to identify and protect our datas. I mean privileges to restricting the access even from the service provider.

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Gigi
Gigi
5/2/2012 3:38:30 AM
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Data Security
"Who's cleaning up after you in the IaaS cloud? Perhaps nobody is, and that means your data is at risk"

John, this is yet another concern of security. This is true for data storage also, eventhough we are deleting the content, if the provider needs they can retrieve the deleted datas by means of recovery tools. This is a major concern and that could be one of the reasons for wide acceptance of Hybrid Clouds.

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John W. Verity
John W. Verity
5/2/2012 1:06:42 AM
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Dirty Disks
I wonder if cloud service providers make any effort to clean the disks their customers' data occupies. It seems to me, though, that customers should do what they can to protect their data and not take anything for granted. 

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